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The plan was to be escorted by a VC10 with spare engines, wheels etc and support groundcrew but no AAR (a pax/freight VC10 rather than a tanker). The point in my post was that we could do it without AAR whereas the GR1 couldn't even have got across the Atlantic let alone the Pacific without tanker support. The Navy were the first to prove the Bucc eastbound direct from Newfoundland to Lossie without AAR and I have personally flown St Mawgan to Lajes to Gander without AAR on a westbound Atlantic crossing.

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I understand from previous threads that the TSR 2 was never realy going to work (even if it looked great).Actually that approach (old airframe, new technology) might work well for several airframes - not least a mosquito built from carbon fibre/composite with a pair of turboprops - great intruder type aeroplane for sure...........Hmmm Arc As the famous Buccaneer pilot Bruce Chapple once said "Buccaneers weren't built, they were quarried!Ah, the venerable Buccaneer As an air cadet, circa 1976, I was standing behind the controllers on a tower visit to the Holbeach ranges.Following a flight of Harriers which came in and shot up the targets, we were informed that the next traffic would involve USAF F111s. There was much anticipation; unfortunately, there was also much clag and in due course our friends from across the pond called in to say that the cloud base was below 1000 feet and they were scrubbing boo!It would have taken about 30 days, with stop-offs on route, crossing the Pacific via a well-chosen route where the longest leg would have been Hickom to Mc Lellan (2300nms) achievable with 23,000lbs (inc.

bomb bay ferry tank) of gas in a Bucc at high level.

By the way, the Mosquito thing has been somewhat exaggerated.

An acceptable wartime design but with major low speed handling and asymmetric issues which wouldn't be acceptable today.

Moments later, one-by-one three Buccaneers literally tumbled down through the clag, stabilising in an instant, hit their targets and powered out wow! The Bucc was eventually replaced by the Tornado; can those who flew both please venture as to whether or not this was a good move? I'm sure that replacing the old analogue servos in the Buccaneer bombing computer which, once the accept bar had been squeezed, all voted on when to release the weapon, was probably a good thing, given the computing power of digital avionics.

Tornado ground mapping radar is probably rather easier to use than the Blue Parrot radar in the Bucc was as well. Improved Buccaneer with updated avionics and radar - now, that would have been interesting!

Hope that helps Foldie Like tu chan go, I had the honour to fly both types..his comments about separating the flying / going to war issues are spot on. :)Ask me about flying the Bucc at lower speeds, sometimes cross-controlled going around finals, and I might have to think a little harder..... The sheer workload involved with flying the Buccaneer from a tactical formation break into the circuit to a 45-25-25 landing, at night, whilst keeping an eye on the aircraft ahead and trying to avoid its wake, was quite the most demanding flying I've ever attempted. If you are a proper fan look here: uk: Used and New: The Buccaneer Songbook (The Buccaneer Songbook: An Anthology of Drinking Songs) ( So after I've giggled a bit I will pass it on to him with pleasure. Foldie For what it is worth, even the F-111 only had limiting Skin Temp that generally kicked in above approx M2.2, and I have occasionally seen it NOT to be a factor until M2.3 .